Danielle Pollard

[00:00:01] Speaker A: There we go. Back. Oh, Jesus. Welcome back to Nick's Nuggets. Kids in the kitchen would have been before your time. Joy. [00:00:08] Speaker B: A little, yeah. [00:00:08] Speaker A: You're into Ren, is that correct? [00:00:11] Speaker B: I am, yes. [00:00:11] Speaker A: Yeah. Not Ren and Stimpy. [00:00:14] Speaker B: That's not bad either. I was raised on it. Mum didn't love me watching that though. [00:00:18] Speaker A: It was bizarre, wasn't it? [00:00:21] Speaker B: Very dark show at times. [00:00:24] Speaker A: Yeah, I know. Anyway, and. Sorry, I just digressed there. But we also have. I know because she's. She. It's awful. She say she should she. Well, I'm not. Let her say she, am I. [00:00:36] Speaker C: That's okay. I'll allow it. Today. I'm a bit old school like that. [00:00:41] Speaker A: Yeah. No, yeah. [00:00:43] Speaker B: She's the cat's mother, as my mom always says. [00:00:45] Speaker A: Yeah. That was an old saying, wasn't it? Yeah. We have Danielle Pollard. [00:00:50] Speaker C: Yes. [00:00:52] Speaker A: You're a muralist, which is not to be confused with naturalist. [00:00:56] Speaker C: No. [00:00:57] Speaker A: Or nutritionalist. [00:00:58] Speaker C: It's like mural artists, but joined together to Morrow. [00:01:02] Speaker A: Tell us all about. You've told us roughly off air. I mean, like, you're a very worldly person. [00:01:10] Speaker C: Yeah, I like to think so. I'm actually originally from Victoria and then I moved over to Perth about 18 years ago and all that in between stuff. And lately I've been creating murals and going full time with them and I've only just been able to recently do that around three months ago. Before that I was working as a education assistant in schools with special needs children. So I was doing that since. Since 2020 and I've been able to build up my business on the side to go into that full time. So it's been quite an adventure. And I've got two children on my own that I raised as well. So. [00:01:57] Speaker A: Yeah, that's a. It's a pretty full on little resume there, isn't. [00:02:01] Speaker B: It's hard. [00:02:03] Speaker A: Yeah, sure. It's hard for the money. [00:02:05] Speaker B: The hardest work there might be being a mother, to be honest. [00:02:07] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. So what do you want to know? [00:02:11] Speaker A: Oh, what I want to know is what do you. Mural. Am I talking here? Because I am dumb. Like, are we talking the things that they put on buildings and dare I say trains? Sometimes. [00:02:25] Speaker C: Yes. [00:02:25] Speaker A: And train stations. [00:02:26] Speaker C: So mural art can just be basically any art that is put onto a wall, whether it's exterior or in interior or outdoors. And lately I've been getting a lot of work done in different schools. I've actually just completed a six wall mural at Warmbro Primary School. [00:02:47] Speaker A: Wow. [00:02:47] Speaker C: That school's 50 years old or just over and there. Everything was completely run down there and they asked me to come and spruce it up and turn it into. So turn it into the beach. So we incorporated some of their sporting logos like the gecko and the dolphin and the black swan, and we incorporated those into the mural for the children to spot and to feel a part of and connected to. And it was really sweet working there because they're cheering me on the whole time. They're like, you're doing a good thing or keep going. And yeah, so it was really sweet. So I enjoyed that one. [00:03:24] Speaker B: Do you often get given the concepts for the art or how often do you get to do what you want to do? [00:03:31] Speaker C: A lot of the time it is sort of what I want to do because I just have that passion to want to create something that's going to make a difference in people's lives. [00:03:38] Speaker B: For sure, yeah. [00:03:39] Speaker C: So I go there and I liaise with the, say, principal of the school and we discuss what they want to see and then we go back and forth and come up with a design. And then when we're all happy with the design, then we go from there and make it happen. Set a date. [00:03:54] Speaker B: Coming up with the design must be half the fun. [00:03:56] Speaker C: Yeah, it is, yeah. It's always changing. Sometimes it can change after almost 50 times, like it did with the Kwinana project that we did not too long ago. We had the whole city coming down and painting parts of the wall as well in the first two days. That was really, really exciting to connect with people there. There was a time where there was an Indian speaking fellow who came by and he couldn't speak a word of English and he came down and started painting the mural with us and his daughter was translating what he was saying. And it just really came to me that art is an international language that you don't actually need words for and you can still work together with someone without actually having to talk. So, yeah, it's. This is an amazing experience for me and I just love that part of it. [00:04:46] Speaker B: That's beautiful. [00:04:47] Speaker A: So do you. Do you have a big, like, it's only said, oh, I'd like to see what you consider a really good piece of art. Where would you say that you're not most proud but you think, yeah, this. Really stoked with what I did there. [00:05:09] Speaker C: I'm just going to recently think back to the one that I just did this week actually, at Charterhouse Primary School. I took the side of their shed there and it went from being this brown looking shed to a really vibrant picture. Of a Willy Wagtail on there, and it's in the kindy area. And it's really just made the kids so happy. I did a little interview with them, and they were just like, I love it. And that just melts in my heart. And the fact that I can make a positive impact like that on a school is more rewarding than any sort of, like, money comes from it. [00:05:44] Speaker B: The satisfaction must be incredible. [00:05:46] Speaker C: Yeah. Mind blowing. [00:05:48] Speaker A: Is it a. Is it a combination of a labor of love? [00:05:52] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:05:53] Speaker A: As against making a lot of money? [00:05:57] Speaker C: Yeah, I would say so. I think I get more out of the aftermath of the mural. It's like the way that it makes people feel, which I always want them to be uplifting murals, not. Or ones that tell stories and things like that that bring connection to the community. So, yeah, like the one that I did in Kwinana, it was about the volunteers that get unnoticed, that often go unnoticed. It was like a contribute to the volunteers that help out, the ones that keep scores, the ones that deliver food to people, Things like the radio station and the chess clubs and things like that. So it was all faces on the wall, but they didn't have. There were faceless people, but there were ones to be recognized. So it was just like a celebration of the volunteers. So it was something that I could give back as well to the community. [00:06:50] Speaker A: So how. You must have. Elaine, I'm going to use a nice word here, Joy. My word is in light. [00:06:59] Speaker B: Okay. [00:07:00] Speaker A: It's a nice word, isn't it? [00:07:02] Speaker C: It is, yes. [00:07:03] Speaker A: I've got to look at what it means, but I'm going to use it anyway. You must have an innate ability to be able to do this. I mean, it's not like. [00:07:13] Speaker C: Like a bit of a calling. Yes, it does feel like that. And I don't know if it's like a midline crisis thing or, you know, trying to find yourself, but I have done a lot of inner work, so to speak, to realize what I want to do do in my life. And that's something that impacts so many people positively, is really what I'm about. So if I can keep that up, then I'll keep doing it. [00:07:35] Speaker B: It's good to see someone happy on the other end of that midlife crisis. [00:07:38] Speaker A: I'm not. [00:07:38] Speaker B: I'm not quite there yet, but I'd [00:07:40] Speaker C: say it could be that, But I'm [00:07:41] Speaker A: not sure if it's that. But, yeah, I did look up the word rather than something learned or acquired through experience. So it's intrinsic to your nature, I think. Used the right word, which is unusual for me. [00:07:56] Speaker B: Joe, you did well. I'm proud of you. [00:08:00] Speaker A: So, like, how do you. We've got one behind us. [00:08:05] Speaker C: Yeah, it's a beautiful one. [00:08:07] Speaker A: You like that? [00:08:07] Speaker C: Yeah, I do. [00:08:08] Speaker A: Now there is one behind in our studio. Studio door of a tree and a lion. [00:08:14] Speaker C: It's nature. That's where we're meant to be. [00:08:16] Speaker A: Now, I'm not being. I'm just asking a general question. If somebody said, could you replicate that, would you be able to do that? [00:08:26] Speaker C: Yes. [00:08:27] Speaker A: Really? [00:08:28] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:08:29] Speaker A: Seriously? [00:08:30] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:08:31] Speaker B: I feel. Do you think that replicating something is easier or more difficult than coming up with your own idea? Because. [00:08:39] Speaker C: Find easier to probably replicate because, like, looking at a reference just to make sure I get all the shadowing correct and like the proportion sizes and things like that, that's more my style. [00:08:49] Speaker B: What do you. What do you prefer to do? [00:08:52] Speaker C: I'd say that I prefer, like coming up with the idea and the actual concept of the mural is all just down to being creative. But I get like references from real photos of say, like a kangaroo or something like that, and then I'll paint that kangaroo. So I'm always referencing pictures when I'm painting, you know. [00:09:14] Speaker B: You don't work from the mind often or. [00:09:16] Speaker C: No, I don't. Not normally. [00:09:19] Speaker B: I imagine it'd be. [00:09:20] Speaker C: Might be something much more difficult, like on my own. [00:09:22] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:09:23] Speaker C: My own studio at home. So. Yeah. But I probably wouldn't do that for a mural. [00:09:27] Speaker B: What are. What brought you into the. The industry of working on murals and stuff? Have you always been an artistic person? [00:09:34] Speaker C: Yeah, I have. I just didn't think it was a career because a of lot, lot of times you think there's no money in art, so just keep doing the other mundane jobs. But in 2020, obviously, when Covid hit, I went out and I actually sat next to another mural artist who I absolutely adore. And I just told her, hey, I really love your work. I love what you do, and it's something that I've always wanted to do. And she said, hey, why don't you come and join me for some. Some jobs? I was blown away and I spent probably three or four months with her working by her side. And then I just thought to myself, wow, this is something that I really want to do. So I sort of branched off. We remain friends, and I just went off and started doing my own thing as well as working. But then my dad passed away last year and that sort of really hit home that life's so short. Then you've got to really do that thing that you want to do, like you're calling if you can. So I signed up to a mural mentorship program, and since then, I've been trying to build my business to make an impact, a positive impact on people. And since then, it's taken off, and I've been able to leave my job at the school and start doing the murals full time. But I wasn't able to do that until I had about three or four months booked out. So if you follow your dream, if you follow your passion, if you're making a difference in people's lives, you should really go ahead and do that. [00:10:57] Speaker A: I think it might have answered this question for Giant, so I do apologize. [00:11:01] Speaker C: Yeah, you're right. [00:11:02] Speaker A: So if I bring a picture of a kangaroo. [00:11:07] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:11:07] Speaker A: And we've got a wall behind us. [00:11:09] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:11:10] Speaker A: How do you get the proportions right? [00:11:15] Speaker C: Well, I can sometimes use a squiggle grid, or there's like a. Just like a normal grid. And you can grid up the picture that you've done that you're referencing, and then you can grid the wall up and you can actually just proportion it out like that. [00:11:30] Speaker A: Done through an app or software or something. [00:11:33] Speaker C: These days you can get apps for it, but if you're a bit old school, you can just sketch it out. [00:11:38] Speaker B: Just figuring out the distance between the lines on the grid. [00:11:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:11:41] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:11:42] Speaker B: Makes sense. [00:11:42] Speaker C: Yeah. And you'll see that quite often online. If you follow any other sort of mural artists, they have that sort of idea as well. But if you're super good, you can just sketch it out. I think it's with nature and things like trees and things like that. I don't think you need to do any referencing grids and things like that because it's just nature and there's no right or wrong. It's just. Yeah. [00:12:06] Speaker A: So do you have a particular subject that you like to paint? [00:12:11] Speaker C: I love painting oceans and. And scenery and things like that. I think I love animals. I try and avoid faces so much because just in case I make something skew, if then I can fix it, but I just don't think I'm 100% sure that it will come out exactly the way that that person's face look. I imagine I have painted orchestras before, but I just. I just worry about that. So try and avoid it. [00:12:41] Speaker B: I imagine it's not. It's fairly easy to maybe make something look a little uncanny if you try something like that. [00:12:47] Speaker C: Yeah. It can be done. [00:12:49] Speaker B: Do you find yourself experimenting with different styles of art a lot? [00:12:53] Speaker C: Yeah, I like realism, mostly. But also I can do cartoony or anything that other people want. Yeah, it just depends what the theme is and where it's from for. So I can just cater to where it's. Where it's for, basically. [00:13:11] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:13:12] Speaker C: As long as it fits. [00:13:14] Speaker A: So if we go to. Not that I do. Because like any sort of art, isn't it? You can look at something and think, I reckon that's just whatever. And people go, no, no, you got to look deeper into it. Blah, blah, blah. So how's. Got a question Grass. So with, with. Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. So if I want to look at art, I go to an art gallery. [00:13:39] Speaker C: Yeah, right. [00:13:39] Speaker A: And you can go like that, that, that. But how do you promote a Muriel is like, how do people. You know what I mean? It's not like going to, oh, we just got to go to here, then here, then over here, then North Bridge. How do you, how do you promise? How do you promote that sort of thing? [00:13:59] Speaker C: I just, I don't know, I just post and say where the murals are if people want to go and have a look for them. Otherwise. Yeah, I'm not sure. [00:14:09] Speaker B: What about, what about when you're first painting it? Do you have a lot of people coming to watch you paint? [00:14:15] Speaker C: Sometimes I do, yeah. It depends where it is. If it's in a public spot or if it's like within a school or something. Not really. Only for the students there that are watching. [00:14:23] Speaker B: Do you find that nerve wracking when people are watching? [00:14:25] Speaker C: I think I've passed that stage. That was a big problem of mine too, to paint in front of people. Even when I was at home in my studio and my partner wanted to watch me, I was like, don't watch, don't watch. Because it's like an ugly. There's like a stage that it goes through. [00:14:37] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:14:37] Speaker C: And it looks like a two year old's done it, but. And then it get like through the layers, it, it starts to look better. [00:14:43] Speaker B: You've got to trust the process. [00:14:44] Speaker C: Yeah, that's classic. I've also taught paint and stick classes as well. And I'm always saying trust the process and don't compare your work to other people and things like that. So yeah, I get it. [00:14:55] Speaker A: So do you teach people how to. Is it muralist? Is that a word or not? Is it such a word? Yeah. [00:15:00] Speaker C: Muralist is the person who does the murals. [00:15:02] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:15:03] Speaker C: But I can't. I don't teach people how to do murals. But they're most welcome to come and assist and help out if they want to in the earlier stages. Because then after the paint's dried I can go over it and fix it up if they've gone out the lines and things like that. But it's more just about enjoying the time. Time that you're having there. And the conversations that happen at the walls is so interesting and fun. [00:15:25] Speaker A: I would think so. And it's a lasting effect too, isn't it? Like it's memories. Yeah. If you know like builders and that. Yeah. You'll be going in the car. I did, I built that. I'm doing it and I suppose. Is it similar with a muralist 100? [00:15:40] Speaker C: Yeah, it's pretty much. I don't want to say like a glorified painter but yeah, it's something that you've given to the community and it's something that you hold memories with each time you do one. Yeah. It's very rewarding. [00:15:56] Speaker B: My dad does that a lot. He worked concreting for 15 plus years. So every time we drive anywhere. I built that place. I know that place. [00:16:06] Speaker A: Oh, you see that place? [00:16:07] Speaker B: Yeah, I built that just non stop. [00:16:09] Speaker A: But that's. That's the thing, isn't it? You know, I think it's if you like your work that you wanna. I don't think it's bragging, I just think it's being proud and there's a difference. [00:16:20] Speaker B: I think with my father it's more so he's telling me the, the trials and tribulations he had to go through. He hated working, concreting. It's, it's. It's a back breaking job. [00:16:33] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:16:34] Speaker B: But I think there is some part of him for sure that can be proud of it because you see these big buildings and he's like, yeah, I set the foundations. [00:16:42] Speaker C: I mean that, that's only there because of me. [00:16:44] Speaker B: Yep, yep. [00:16:45] Speaker A: You know, I think you know, as a layman's. Because I think, you know, whether it be sport or whether this. That you know, you'll be a layman and you just understand little bits here and there. But I think Muriel's a. I'm not saying it's because you're here. I love him. He's pandering, you know, like you're going to. Wow. You know that's really. I think there's one in Wellington Street. [00:17:11] Speaker C: Heaps of amazing mural artists out there. I follow most of them. [00:17:14] Speaker A: Yeah. And I just think that is. And they capture. [00:17:18] Speaker C: I've met Brenton C and everything. [00:17:20] Speaker A: Yeah. They just capture the moment or whatever. And I think Is there many graffiti kids? I shouldn't say kids, but problems? Yeah. Which you think, gee, I wish that kid who did that had some inspiration [00:17:39] Speaker C: to take it further. Yeah. 100. Another thing I just wanted to say, like, I was working with Year 11 students earlier this year and they were choosing which sort of TAFE club, TAFE courses and things like that that they wanted to go to. And I was talking to this one young girl who was looking at doing childcare, and I said, is that really sort of what you want to be doing? Because she is like the image of rugby. She was built like a rugby player. She just loves sports, all that sort of thing. And then she said, well, actually, I really like playing sports and I like working with children at the same time. And then I said to her, maybe perhaps you could look at a career where you're going around to different schools and maybe promoting healthy things and, like, doing maybe, you know, how to have, like, Oz kick and things like that. Yeah, yeah. Maybe you could work for that type of a thing instead. Something that you really enjoy, that you're going to be passionate about. And she was like, oh, yeah. So I just wish that people would focus more on maybe what they're passionate about because that will take them to a career that they will really enjoy and really do well at, is what I'm trying to make a point about. Whether it's maybe someone might be good at talking to people, someone might be good at cooking, someone might enjoy different. Different types of things. Things that you're passionate about. I really think that you should follow that dream that makes you happy. Yeah. In the end you'll be happy. [00:19:00] Speaker A: No, no, It's a simple philosophy, but. [00:19:02] Speaker C: It is a philosophy. [00:19:03] Speaker A: But it's a good one, though, isn't it? [00:19:05] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:19:05] Speaker C: It's like I want people to strive. [00:19:07] Speaker A: Yeah. I was talking to my wife yesterday about a similar sort of thing. [00:19:12] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:19:13] Speaker A: Is it. My kids went to a private school, which was good. Mad. It's good because you get a lot more options and maybe the teacher. But anyway, aside from that, is that, you know, I'm being sarcastic here when, you know, like a hundred kids out of 200 wanted to be marine biologists. And I'm thinking, good, but is that your passion? Or they might have been good at hairdressing, but I don't think they go, I don't want to be a hairdresser because there's a stigma. [00:19:49] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:19:49] Speaker A: If you're a hairdresser, no matter how good you are, you're a hairdresser. Whereas if You've got letters behind your name and this, that, the other. So it's really difficult, like you're saying to a degree that follow your passion, you know, and if it is doing what you do or what Joy wants to do, you just got to do it, don't you? [00:20:10] Speaker C: That's it. You got to just try anyway, give it a go. [00:20:13] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:20:13] Speaker C: But that really didn't sort of kick in until my father passed away last year, which was the big message for me, that life is so short and just go do that thing you want to do and wake up each day and tell yourself you can just even that 1%, even if you just do that 1% in the right direction, whether it's just getting out of bed and going for a walk and just clean. Clearing your mind to get you into the right spot to follow your dreams. [00:20:40] Speaker A: Is your father. Would you. Was your father inspire you apart from when he passed away? [00:20:45] Speaker C: 100 all the time. I wish I could give him a phone call this morning to tell him that I'm coming on the radio today, but things like that are really hard to get through. But, yeah, he's inspired me my whole life. I would say. So. Yeah, to have him gone is a huge part of me, but I also feel like he's around with me as well, so. And he also encouraged me to follow my dreams. So I'm doing that. Yeah. Not just for him, but for me. And yeah. As a unit now. Yeah. [00:21:21] Speaker A: You have, I think you mentioned what up, two children and you have a partner. How do they feel about your muralistic? [00:21:28] Speaker C: Oh, they love it. I get my eldest daughter now, she's 14, to come and help me sometimes on priming the walls and things like that. So she gets a little gig on the weekends sometimes. But yeah, and I think she's quite proud of it. Yeah. I don't know. It's just the norm now because I've been doing it for a little while. [00:21:47] Speaker A: How long have you been doing it for now? [00:21:49] Speaker C: All together, around almost seven years, but now only just full time for the last four months or so. [00:21:57] Speaker A: So you were saying that you. I think I correct that once you got three or four months work, you thought, I'm going to do this full time. [00:22:06] Speaker C: That was the sign. And also the day that I left the school, my picture came out in the Telegraph and it was the news article about going to. About doing the Kwinana job. And I thought that's a huge sign to just keep going. So, yeah, I just thought I would [00:22:25] Speaker A: share that moment just for those People who don't have television and aren't watching online. Do you have that picture? Do you have that picture? Yeah. [00:22:34] Speaker C: I was trying to find it, but I've gone all nervous. [00:22:38] Speaker A: We can ad lib, can't we? [00:22:39] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:22:40] Speaker A: We're pretty good at living. [00:22:41] Speaker C: So there it is. [00:22:42] Speaker A: Oh, look. And. [00:22:45] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:22:46] Speaker B: Oh, that's beautiful. [00:22:47] Speaker C: Just about celebrating the unsung heroes, the volunteers. [00:22:50] Speaker B: That's the one you were talking about before. Yeah. [00:22:51] Speaker A: Whereabouts is that specifically? [00:22:53] Speaker C: That is on the John Willard Community Center. [00:22:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:58] Speaker C: And that was a part of the community getting involved as well and painting some of that with me. Yeah. [00:23:05] Speaker B: How long do they usually take? [00:23:07] Speaker C: That one, I think took about five days and I had to get an elevated work platform for that one as well. So I've gone and got all my white card and elevated work platform and everything like that. So I'm all ready to go. And I'm really wanting to find a silo or a water tank as well to paint my dream. [00:23:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:27] Speaker C: And then after that, I might just slow down a bit because there was [00:23:31] Speaker A: that one again, if you could. There was a dingo one, wasn't there? Was that on a solo on. Oh, yeah. Matilda Bay Road. [00:23:37] Speaker C: Yeah. With the flower. [00:23:39] Speaker A: There's a big white one with the. The dingo. Yeah, yeah. That's on a solo sort of thing. [00:23:43] Speaker C: Yeah. It's an asylum. So I've just been trying to manifest that for a while. Yeah. [00:23:49] Speaker A: So how. Do you have a. A website? [00:23:54] Speaker C: Yeah, I do. It's www.muralswa.com muriels. I mean, is it muralswa.com? [00:24:03] Speaker A: how would it be if you. Oh, look out, look out. And on there. Will there be pictures of the work you've done? [00:24:11] Speaker C: Absolutely. Yep. I've just updated it last night, so hopefully. [00:24:14] Speaker A: And you'll have a phone number of that if people want to contact you. [00:24:17] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:24:17] Speaker A: And things like that. How to be. If your name is Muriel? Seriously, it's. [00:24:22] Speaker C: It's Mural. I've heard people call it Mural. [00:24:29] Speaker A: Yeah, Mural. [00:24:34] Speaker B: Mural, yeah. [00:24:34] Speaker A: Oh, see, I was up today. [00:24:36] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:24:36] Speaker A: Pronunciation. [00:24:37] Speaker B: Yeah. You're adding an I in there somewhere. [00:24:40] Speaker C: You can add that one to your vocabulary. [00:24:43] Speaker A: Look, it's. [00:24:45] Speaker C: That's me. [00:24:45] Speaker A: Oh, and we've got to look at this. Oh, that one's gorgeous. [00:24:51] Speaker C: I painted the logo at Fathom Brewing not that long ago as well. That's just a new little pub down the road. Safety. [00:24:58] Speaker A: Did you. Are you a local? [00:25:01] Speaker C: Yes. [00:25:01] Speaker A: I'll tell you what I mean. [00:25:02] Speaker C: Waikiki. [00:25:03] Speaker A: Just off the. Off my thing, off my phone. This is. [00:25:09] Speaker B: You say Waikiki. Yeah, My mother's working there right now. [00:25:13] Speaker C: Yeah. Oh, cool. [00:25:13] Speaker B: Nice. We're from down in Mandurah so it's a bit of a community. [00:25:16] Speaker C: Oh yeah. If you can. Oh, that's stunning. Yeah, that's in picture of a turtle. [00:25:23] Speaker A: As you go past the restaurants on like Rocking and be trode. There's a house there and it's got the whole brick wall. [00:25:29] Speaker C: Yeah, I love turtles. That's cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I could do that. [00:25:33] Speaker A: I mean sea turtles, I just think they are the best thing to put on Muriel murals. [00:25:39] Speaker C: Do they get to 100 years old sea turtles? [00:25:42] Speaker A: Yeah, they do. They do, yeah, yeah, yeah. If they do, they do, yeah. Over. I think maybe 140, 150. [00:25:48] Speaker C: I went to Kenya in Africa one time and I made 120, 20 year old turtle there. It was like the size of a human. It was just walking on the side of the road. It was amazing. [00:25:58] Speaker B: Was that a tortoise? [00:25:59] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:26:00] Speaker A: They are so cool. I reckon. [00:26:02] Speaker B: Beautiful creatures, aren't they? [00:26:04] Speaker A: They really are. [00:26:06] Speaker B: I always think back to the. Sorry, sidetrack a little but I always think back to the. The Greenland sharks as well. They get really old sometimes. Some of them probably been around since like Henry viii. [00:26:16] Speaker C: Wow. [00:26:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:18] Speaker C: What? [00:26:18] Speaker B: Yeah, really, really old. [00:26:20] Speaker A: What, are you serious? [00:26:21] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:26:22] Speaker A: How old would that be? [00:26:22] Speaker B: A few hundred. [00:26:24] Speaker A: What for shark? [00:26:25] Speaker B: Yeah. Greenland sharks, they. I don't know exactly but they're usually around like the. The ice icy areas like Antarctica and stuff. I'm pretty sure. Yeah. They're weird looking though. I think the age gets to them anyways. [00:26:39] Speaker A: It's always cold water. Yeah. Well, it's been great. And we've got. So it's Danielle Pollard. [00:26:48] Speaker C: Correct. [00:26:49] Speaker A: And you have a website which you've mentioned to us. [00:26:52] Speaker C: Correct. [00:26:53] Speaker A: And can people. It's a people. Do you do like. I'm just asking, do you have things things. Do you have like this little pamphlet you go. Which I think is great. Really is good. [00:27:10] Speaker C: Thank you. [00:27:11] Speaker A: Do you put these in the community center down at Rockingham at the visitor shop? [00:27:18] Speaker C: Yeah, if I've got some on me, I'll put some down. Know that there's some in Secret Harbor Life Saving Club. I've put some down there, yeah. Might have to walk around and drop a few more brochures around. [00:27:30] Speaker A: Mind you, I'm not if you're busy. [00:27:32] Speaker C: I know you're good. [00:27:34] Speaker A: You really want more work. [00:27:35] Speaker C: I mean I think social media is doing a really good job at letting people know that I exist. So that's been good. And I do want to mention that Dual Lux did donate some of the paint to the war primary school and the Chart House primary school. Yeah. [00:27:49] Speaker A: Oh, that's lovely. [00:27:50] Speaker C: Which helps. [00:27:50] Speaker A: It is, isn't it? [00:27:51] Speaker C: Like, with the funds. So, Yeah. I didn't have to charge so much for the paint. [00:27:55] Speaker B: It's good pr. [00:27:56] Speaker C: Yeah. Thanks, Dulux. Yeah. [00:28:01] Speaker A: Well, look, that is just. I was just saying to Joy Daniel, off air, that, you know, like, being in community radio. [00:28:11] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:28:12] Speaker A: I've interviewed I don't know how many hundred different organizations and people, and the good thing is, it's such a great learning experience. Like, I find this. I'm not just. I find this fascinating. I love it. [00:28:23] Speaker B: You get to see so many different perspectives. [00:28:25] Speaker A: You do not, you know, and, you know, you get bubbly people like Danielle there, and it's all good. [00:28:32] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:28:32] Speaker A: I tell what I did. Like, just like, as you say, digressing. I was never, like, really into art like that, but when I went to the Van Gogh exhibition in Perth, that was. The whole story of Van Gogh is really moving. [00:28:48] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:28:49] Speaker A: And sad and like, you see his picture and you can almost see what he's. To me, not an art person. You can see what he's trying to portray. Yeah. [00:28:58] Speaker B: There's always a lot of emotion behind Van Gogh paintings. I've noticed. [00:29:02] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:29:02] Speaker B: I don't know, there's something about them that I've always connected with very harshly. They're just beautiful. [00:29:07] Speaker A: Yeah, it is. [00:29:09] Speaker C: I think it is soul connection, literally. And it's just shown through art. [00:29:13] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:29:13] Speaker C: Yeah. And you feel it differently because it's a different language. Yeah, yeah, it's good. [00:29:18] Speaker A: And I think, too, we're digressing. It's a little bit more. Sort of [00:29:26] Speaker C: makes you feel something connected. [00:29:27] Speaker A: Yeah. It's a bit like music. You can have an artist and you can think, wow, you know, how do they. I always think, how do they say in two lines, which would take me 15 pages. How do they do that? [00:29:43] Speaker B: It's like how you were saying earlier about how art and. And music can transcend language as well. You can look at an artist from the other side of the world and just get a really good idea on what they were thinking, how they were feeling as they made the piece. [00:29:58] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:29:58] Speaker B: It's beautiful. You touched a little earlier on, getting caught in the. The divot of comparison. [00:30:06] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:30:07] Speaker B: And I've never been a super artsy person through school. I wasn't really the. The one paying a lot of attention in our class, which was a shame because my mother's Very artsy. She. She's done lots of body painting, and she's done some murals and stuff as well. She loves it. [00:30:21] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:30:23] Speaker B: I've. Only recently, in the past few years, since I've graduated school, I. God, I graduated five years ago. I just realized that time flies. But I've been trying to pick it up. Hey, I'm young, all right? I've been trying to pick up art, and I. I found that comparison can be the death of passion. And I. I try to figure it out, learning anatomy and proportions and shading and all these different techniques. But then I always find myself looking at social media and flicking through and seeing other people's art. Me like, wow, how could I get to that point? Yeah. I understand that if you. If you put in the time and effort for something and you really enjoy what you're doing, you could transcend any other artist or whatever. But just. Do you have any tips for people who are getting stuck in that. That mental space? [00:31:10] Speaker C: You actually can't compete with other people. You are your own person. Just like how everyone has their own handwriting. You have your own hands, and they're going to make different art to somebody else. You can't compare it. You can learn from them and you can learn the basics of art, but you just do you, and the rest will just follow. You will end up eventually, after maybe 50 times, you might start seeing a style. I don't even know if I have a style. Like, it just. It progresses and just keep doing it. And the fact that you're doing it needs to be something for yourself and not really so much other people to start with anyway. Yeah. Something that you can just chill out and do and not worry. [00:31:50] Speaker B: Okay. [00:31:51] Speaker C: It shouldn't be something that's stressful, for sure. [00:31:53] Speaker B: Yeah. You mentioned earlier that you did a course of sortsling for the mural art. [00:31:59] Speaker C: Yeah. I started a mural mentorship program because I really wanted to push to do murals full time, but I was sort of stuck at a point where I didn't know how to take it any further. And I was like, okay, I can do murals, but maybe there's something that I'm not doing because it's not really progressing further than this. So then I decided to join Mural Nomad and do. And do the course with her. And she showed me how to, like, advertise and how to do some inner work and find out what is the reason behind why you want to do what you want to do. And mine was to connect people, and that's my main sole purpose. And then it's also just like marketing. That is what you want to do. And that sort of aligns with the schools at the moment, connecting the students to the schools and the parents and the PNC and everything. It all is just a community event. The murals, which is what I'm all about. And I come from a large, loving family, and I feel like I want people to feel that same love with the murals. Like. Yeah, that's just how I feel. [00:33:11] Speaker B: That's beautiful. [00:33:12] Speaker A: Yes, isn't it? [00:33:13] Speaker C: You know, it really is just talking rubbish. Like, I actually mean it. [00:33:17] Speaker A: Well, that's what I was saying to Joy, you know, whether I'm not trying to digress one too, but, yeah, it's a lot. Me and Joy coming on the radio. It's no good. What would you sort of. Yeah, pretend. [00:33:30] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:33:30] Speaker A: If your heart's not in it. But, you know, like, you've been. And so you've been an amazing guest and you're so bubbly and interesting and giving, you know, of with what you do, and it's just great. You know, you did mention music. Is there anything that we may have in our database that you might. [00:33:54] Speaker C: I don't know. I. I like a lot of different music. So. My nan's a jazz player. She's 91. She still plays piano in a jazz band. [00:34:02] Speaker A: Wow. [00:34:02] Speaker C: I know. Amazing. Her brother actually used to do radio presenting. [00:34:07] Speaker A: Oh, there you go. [00:34:07] Speaker C: Yeah. When I was a little girl, I used to go sit in the. At the front of the speakers at home, and my nan would say, hang on, just wait there. And then she'd call up her brother and he'd go, hello, Danielle. [00:34:18] Speaker A: Really? [00:34:19] Speaker C: My brother and I used to say, just have to sit there and wait for ages until he said it and then we could go off and play. But no. So I come from that sort of an environment. But also my dad also had a big passion for music and dancing and things like that. [00:34:33] Speaker A: Jeez. [00:34:34] Speaker C: So, yeah, it's just. I don't like the house when it's too quiet. There's always music on in the background. Music helps me think. I love listening to music when I'm, like, doing my murals. And I just love how, like, at parties and things like that, a song comes on and everyone's just. Just like, dancing and having a great time connecting. [00:34:50] Speaker A: And there's songs that you feel it. Yeah, they span the generations, don't they? Like. Not that I particularly like the song, but I understand the span generation when they put on YNCA. Everybody from 10 to 80. Nut Bush is another one. Yeah. And what's the other one? Mambo Number Five. A little bit classic. So there isn't a specific song we can play for you if we have it, or group or an artist, Anyone. [00:35:18] Speaker C: What sort of music do you tend to play? [00:35:21] Speaker A: Anything from late 50s to 20, 26. [00:35:27] Speaker C: Oh, wow. [00:35:28] Speaker A: Anything. [00:35:29] Speaker C: So you might say maybe Xavier Rudd, Follow the Sun. [00:35:33] Speaker A: Oh, I have a look. I'll have a look, see if we got any. Xavier. [00:35:36] Speaker C: That one. Because that's my song for my dad. [00:35:38] Speaker B: We'll have a look. [00:35:39] Speaker A: We just have a look. [00:35:40] Speaker C: And if you can't say that, I'll [00:35:41] Speaker A: think of another one that's X, A V, I E R. I E, R. Yeah. Xavier. Yeah. What's it called? [00:35:52] Speaker C: Sorry? Follow the Sun. [00:35:54] Speaker A: We got. We haven't got that one. Well, never mind, never mind. But we can play this one for you. [00:35:59] Speaker C: How about you play me a song? You can play me a song. [00:36:02] Speaker A: Oh, look, she comes in, talks about murals taking over the whole segment. Now, what would you like to listen to? [00:36:10] Speaker C: Anything that you choose. [00:36:13] Speaker A: I did get the Xavier rub one up, by the way, but I'll get another one do one for you. [00:36:18] Speaker C: All right. It's a rainy day. What should we play? Help Me Out, [00:36:27] Speaker B: Rainy Day. [00:36:27] Speaker C: Can you play that funky music? [00:36:30] Speaker A: Oh, my God, yeah. [00:36:31] Speaker C: Let's spruce it up. [00:36:33] Speaker B: Hell, yes. Hell, yeah. [00:36:35] Speaker A: I think it's well, too. That was my. How's my memory? [00:36:38] Speaker C: Let's get all funky, Subvert the expectations of it. Look, let's bring a lot of life and love back. [00:36:43] Speaker A: Okay, let's do this. So we'll play. We'll play this one first and then we'll play the one before you're late. [00:36:51] Speaker C: Okay, cool. So everyone can get up and dance and then they can just chill. [00:36:55] Speaker A: Okay? Thanks very much, Danielle. You're welcome. [00:36:58] Speaker C: Thanks for having me.